Goodbye Norma Jeane

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Today is the anniversary of Marilyn Monroe’s death and I found this article about her on the All That’s Interesting website.

By Kaleena Fraga

Published June 21, 2022

Updated August 4, 2022

From her troubled childhood to her famous films to her mysterious death, discover some of the most fascinating facts about Marilyn Monroe.

Marilyn Monroe is arguably one of the most recognizable Americans who ever lived. Almost everyone is familiar with her face, her silhouette, and, of course, the iconic photo of the star holding her white skirt over a New York City subway grate. But who was Marilyn Monroe?

These 22 facts about Marilyn Monroe include some of the most fascinating details about the beloved movie star, from her most famous films to her three marriages to her tragic — and mysterious — death in 1962.

Who Is Marilyn Monroe?

Marilyn Monroe was an American actress, singer, model, and sex symbol who starred in a number of films during the 1950s and 1960s. She charmed audiences with her beauty, intriguing quotes, and sensuality.

When Was Marilyn Monroe Born?

Marilyn Monroe was born on June 1, 1926, in Los Angeles, California, to a single mother named Gladys Pearl Baker. Monroe never knew her father (who DNA testing suggests was Charles Stanley Gifford and not Martin Edward Mortensen, the man listed on Monroe’s birth certificate).

Monroe spent her early life oblivious that she had two half-siblings, whom her mother’s first husband had taken to Kentucky. Though Monroe’s half-brother Robert Kermit Baker died before she could meet him, she later established a close relationship with her half-sister, Berniece Baker Miracle.

Until then, Monroe had a shaky family life. Her mother suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, and so the future movie star spent most of her childhood bouncing between relatives and foster homes.

What Was Marilyn Monroe’s Real Name?

Marilyn Monroe was born Norma Jeane Mortenson and later baptized as Norma Jeane Baker. Her name changed again when she married her first husband James Dougherty and took his surname. But Hollywood producers eventually convinced her to change the entire thing.

According to TIME, studio executive Ben Lyon thought that there were too many ways to say “Dougherty.” He suggested Marilyn as a first name, after the Ziegfeld Follies star Marilyn Miller, and Monroe eventually decided to use her mother’s maiden name as her last name.

What Size Was Marilyn Monroe?

According to the Marilyn Monroe Collection — the largest collection of the star’s memorabilia in the world — the Blue Book Modeling Agency listed her measurements as 36-24-34 and her size as 12 in 1945.

In today’s clothing sizes, that’d likely equate to a 6 or an 8. However, it’s worth noting that many modern brands vary widely in their sizing, so she could have picked different sizes depending on which brand she was wearing. It’s also worth noting that Monroe’s weight fluctuated throughout her life, so that could’ve affected what size she’d take as well.

How Tall Was Marilyn Monroe?

Marilyn Monroe was approximately five feet and six inches tall.

How Much Did Marilyn Monroe Weigh?

Most official documents list Marilyn Monroe as weighing between 117 and 120 pounds throughout her life. However, her weight was known to fluctuate and there were a few moments in the late 1950s when she appeared visibly heavier, with some guessing that she weighed up to 140 pounds at one point.

How Many Movies Did Marilyn Monroe Appear In?

Including bit parts, Marilyn Monroe appeared in about 30 films throughout her entire career as an actress. Some of Monroe’s best-known movies include Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953), Niagara (1953), The Seven Year Itch (1955), Some Like It Hot (1959), and The Misfits (1961).

But Monroe’s personal life was often watched just as much as her film roles.

Who Was Marilyn Monroe Married To?

During her life, Marilyn Monroe married three times. She wed her first husband, James Dougherty, in 1942 at the age of 16. They divorced in 1946 because Dougherty was unsupportive of Monroe’s movie star ambitions.

“My marriage didn’t make me sad, but it didn’t make me happy either,” Monroe once explained, according to the New York Daily News. “My husband and I hardly spoke to each other. This wasn’t because we were angry. We had nothing to say. I was dying of boredom.”

In 1954, Monroe married retired New York Yankees baseball star Joe DiMaggio. However, DiMaggio struggled with Monroe’s busy schedule and sex symbol status. The couple fought often, and at times, DiMaggio was physically abusive toward her. The two divorced after nine months.

She married for the third time in 1956, to playwright Arthur Miller. But this marriage didn’t last, either, and the two divorced in 1961.

Why Did Marilyn Monroe Marry Arthur Miller?

Of all Marilyn Monroe’s marriages, her third to Arthur Miller strikes some as the most surprising. After all, Monroe and Miller — a movie star and a playwright, respectively — came from totally different worlds. But the two had a deep, emotional connection that spanned several years. According to Biography, Monroe once said, “This is the first time I’ve been really in love.”

However, the two clashed, especially while filming The Misfits, based on a story that Miller wrote. After they divorced in 1961, Monroe mused: “I wasn’t sweet all through. He should love the monster, too. But maybe I’m too demanding. Maybe there’s no man who could put up with all of me. I put Arthur through a lot, I know. But he also put me through a lot.”

Did Marilyn Monroe Have Children?

Marilyn Monroe did not have any children. She did, however, have an ectopic pregnancy and at least two miscarriages while married to Miller.

Did Marilyn Monroe Have An Affair With JFK?

Though the exact nature of Marilyn Monroe’s relationship with President John F. Kennedy is unknown — and only knowable to Monroe and Kennedy — historians generally agree that the two had at least one intimate encounter.

According to TIME, Monroe and Kennedy met four times between October 1961 and August 1962, and likely slept together on March 24, 1962.

In May of that same year, Monroe famously — and sensuously — sang “Happy Birthday” to the president during a rally at Madison Square Garden. Afterward, Kennedy quipped: “I can now retire from politics after having had ‘Happy Birthday’ sung to me in such a sweet, wholesome way.”

Was Marilyn Monroe Hard To Work With?

Toward the end of her life, Marilyn Monroe was reportedly difficult to work with. According to Variety, the production of Some Like It Hot was “troubled.” Monroe was frequently late to set — if she came at all — and frequently flubbed her lines, requiring retakes. Her co-star Tony Curtis even claimed that filming a romantic scene with her was like “kissing Hitler.”

Similarly, Monroe’s personal struggles hindered the making of what would have been her last film, Something’s Got to Give. Monroe was eventually fired from the project for “spectacular absenteeism” in June 1962.

Despite all the trouble on set, the movie star was subsequently rehired. But before filming could continue, she abruptly died.

When Did Marilyn Monroe Die?

Marilyn Monroe died on August 4, 1962, mere months after she’d stunned the world by singing “Happy Birthday” to President Kennedy.

Where Did Marilyn Monroe Die?

Marilyn Monroe died at 12305 5th Helena Drive in Los Angeles, California, the home she’d moved into just six months prior.

How Old Was Marilyn Monroe When She Died?

Marilyn Monroe was 36 years old when she died suddenly in August 1962.

What Were Marilyn Monroe’s Last Words?

As far as anyone knows, Marilyn Monroe spoke her last words to Peter Lawford, an English-born actor who was also John F. Kennedy’s brother-in-law, in a phone conversation just hours before she was found dead.

“Say goodbye to Pat [Lawford’s wife], say goodbye to Jack [John F. Kennedy], and say goodbye to yourself, because you’re a nice guy,” the movie star allegedly said before hanging up the phone for the last time.

How Did Marilyn Monroe Die?

According to Marilyn Monroe’s autopsy report, the movie star died of “acute barbiturate poisoning” due to “ingestion of overdose.”

The medical examiner told reporters, “It is my conclusion that the death of Marilyn Monroe was caused by a self-administered overdose of sedative drugs and that the mode of death is probable suicide.”

She had such high levels of Nembutal and chloral hydrate in her system that the coroner suggested she’d taken the pills “in one gulp or in a few gulps over a minute or so.” But not everyone buys this story.

Was Marilyn Monroe Murdered?

Despite the coroner’s report — and another investigation in 1982 that concluded she either killed herself or accidentally overdosed — rumors that Marilyn Monroe was murdered have lingered ever since her 1962 death.

Questions have been raised about why there were no traces of pills found in Monroe’s stomach and why there was a bruise on her lower body, leading some to believe that a fatal injection was administered by a third party.

Some have claimed that Monroe’s romantic entanglements with both John F. Kennedy and his brother, Robert, led the two to plot her demise. Proponents of this theory have speculated that Monroe perhaps knew too much — or that the brothers killed her to avoid any embarrassing disclosures. But investigations into Monroe’s death have turned up no concrete evidence that the movie star was purposefully killed by anyone.

Murdering the star, investigators found in 1982, would have required “a massive, in-place conspiracy.” But they “uncovered no credible evidence supporting a murder theory.” Still, many people remain suspicious.

Did Marilyn Monroe Commit Suicide?

Another dicey question is whether or not Marilyn Monroe intended to die by suicide. A “psychological autopsy” at the time of Monroe’s death found that she was probably suicidal during her final days on Earth.

It noted that: “Miss Monroe had often expressed wishes to give up, to withdraw, and even to die,” and that she had previously attempted suicide.

But many people close to Monroe couldn’t believe that she would take her own life. For one thing, Monroe had apparently recently reconciled with her second husband, Joe DiMaggio. While the two had not made plans to wed again, they were on far better terms than they were during their marriage.

“It could have been an accident, because I had just talked to her a short time before,” her half-sister, Berniece Baker Miracle noted in a rare interview. “She told me what she had planned to do, she had just bought a new house and she was working on the curtains of the windows. She had so many things to look forward to and she was so happy.”

A friend of Monroe’s, James Bacon, agreed. “She wasn’t the least bit depressed,” he said. “She was talking about going to Mexico.”

In the end, it’s unclear whether or not the star meant to overdose on drugs on that fateful night. In 1982, District Attorney John Van de Kamp explained: “Based on the evidence available to us, it appears that her death could have been a suicide or a result of an accidental drug overdose.”

Where Is Marilyn Monroe Buried?

Marilyn Monroe is buried in Crypt Number 24 at the Corridor of Memories at Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery in Los Angeles, California. According to Atlas Obscura, DiMaggio had red roses delivered to her grave three times a week for 20 years as a tribute to the star.

What Was Marilyn Monroe’s Net Worth?

By the time Marilyn Monroe died, she had a net worth of about $800,000 — or $7 million today. According to Netflix, the actress left money to her half-sister, her niece, her mother, her acting coach, and her therapist.

How Old Would Marilyn Monroe Be Today?

If Marilyn Monroe were still alive today — 2022 — she would be 96 years old.

SOURCE: allthatsinteresting.com

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  6. nichan
    August 5, 2023 3:05 am

    Why did Chris Christie traveled unannounced to Ukraine, Friday?

    Chris Christie visited #Ukraine and met with President Volodymyr Zelenskiy as he underscored strong US support for Kyiv’s fight against #Russia.

    Christie, once a Trump ally, is now challenging him for their party’s 2024 presidential nomination. pic.twitter.com/sAxL9R1ZL8

    — The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) August 4, 2023

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  8. from James Wood:
    As an objective political observation I think the Trump situation is a huge risk for the Democrats. After an exhausting two years of a foul and completely debunked Democrat scam (RussiaGate), for them to launch this legal jihad is a monster gamble. It is an absolute cluster bomb against one man, and boy, they better be right.

    For one thing many of these charges are flimsy, some specious, and others truly ridiculous. If they stick, even temporarily, they will make a martyr out of Trump. His supporters and many independents will see him as one individual against a massive political machine, an armada of dirty tricks, and historically the lone warrior is a sympathetic scenario.

    If Trump is ultimately acquitted, however, he will be the David who beat Goliath, and the Democrat Party will never recover. They will be forever seen as venal, nasty, mendacious charlatans and cheats, whose latest charade failed miserably.

    Even if they convict him of all charges though, millions of Americans will feel deprived of their candidate regardless how hated he is by the other side, and they will be in a civil war frame of mind.

    As a merely objective observer, I am guessing this judicially engineered attack on the major candidate of the “other party” feels decidedly un-American. It just reeks of banana republic hijinx, and it’s going to backfire.

    Trump may lose, but the fact that he’s fighting back strengthens his folk hero stature more every day. Democrats may laugh at that, but they do so at their peril.

    Especially when they’ve got a candidate who can’t say hello without lying, his own transgressions stacked a mile high in the closet.

    https://thelibertydaily.com/james-wood-waxes-philosophical-in-brilliant-analysis-of-the-democrats-gamble/

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    1. I would add only this caveat: FJB is NOT their candidate – he is simply a place-holder for the moment. I think we all know that by now!!!

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      1. Morning Filly!
        agreed…if Newscum is their chosen one, that little tidbit about him funding that chynese biolab in his own state won’t be easy to overlook.

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              5. if they try one of 2 things will happen: 1) we stop them or 2) they succeed…opening the door for TRUMP to become President till he dies…

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  9. interesting theory
    FTA
    The new indictment of Trump is fraught with McDonnell-type invention and bad-faith interpretation of the statutes. Smith’s charging document is really an out-of-office impeachment dressed as a criminal indictment. The indictment has been previously discussed at RedState, but what jumps out to me is that Smith is pushing for an early trial date not to provide a quick resolution and to “do justice”; rather, Smith wants a partisan DC jury to quickly convict Trump, thus setting up Smith’s next level of political gamesmanship. Smith wants Trump’s conviction to be heard and decided by the Supreme Court, knowing full well that a Trump conviction has no chance of affirmation at SCOTUS. Smith is counting on it. Smith wants the Supreme Court to vacate his almost certain conviction in order to enflame the Democratic base. He wants to hand Joe Biden another “the Supreme Court is illegitimate” gift.

    https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2023/08/04/jack-smith-will-get-a-dc-jury-to-convict-trump-scotus-will-vacate-the-conviction-in-fact-smith-is-counting-on-it-n787612

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    1. “US prosecutors flag threatening Trump post to judge”
      August 5, 2023 in News

      ENTIRE ARTICLE: “Prosecutors on Friday night called a judge’s attention to a social media post from Donald Trump — issued hours earlier — in which they say the former president appeared to declare that he’s “coming after” those he sees as responsible for the series of formidable legal challenges he is facing.

      Attorneys from special counsel Jack Smith’s team said the post from Trump “specifically or by implication” referenced those involved in his criminal case for seeking to subvert the 2020 election. In a court filing just before 10 p.m. Friday, Senior Assistant Special Counsels Molly Gaston and Thomas Windom alerted the judge in Trump’s latest criminal case – U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan – to a combative post Trump sent earlier in the day.

      “If you go after me, I’m coming after you!” Trump wrote in all caps Friday afternoon on Truth Social, which is run by a media company he co-owns.

      The prosecutors said Trump’s post raised concerns that he might improperly share evidence in the case on his social media account and they urged that he be ordered to keep any evidence prosecutors turn over to his defense team from public view.

      “All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public,” Gaston and Windom wrote. “Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him. … And in recent days, regarding this case, the defendant has issued multiple posts—either specifically or by implication—including the following, which the defendant posted just hours ago.”

      Smith’s office has not sought a gag order in either of the criminal cases it is pursuing against Trump: one in Florida focused on his retention of classified documents and the other in Washington over his efforts to interfere with the certification of the 2020 presidential election. The filing Friday night does not make any request to bar Trump or his attorneys from discussing the D.C. case publicly or with the media.

      However, prosecutors in that case have indicated they’re prepared to share a “substantial“ volume of evidence with Trump as soon as Chutkan approves an order governing the handling of evidence. Chutkan is slated to bring attorneys for both sides to court on Aug. 28 to discuss setting a trial date. It’s unclear if Trump’s post will prompt her to seek more immediate efforts to implement a protective order or to impose a gag order, which can be issued under D.C. federal court rules.

      Trump’s Truth Social post came just one day after he swore in federal court that he would not make any effort to influence or retaliate against witnesses or make any other actions that might obstruct the administration of justice in his case. Asked by a magistrate judge on Tuesday to verify that he would comply with that instruction, Trump acknowledged it and said that he would.

      The Truth Social post made no specific reference to any witnesses or court personnel, but Trump has often used his social media megaphone to attack prosecutors and judges in the criminal cases he is facing. Trump’s legal team didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. The post US prosecutors flag threatening Trump post to judge appeared first on Politico.”

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    1. Morning GA!
      how are you?
      if you have a chance to stop by Marica’s again…wish her a Happy Birthday! it was Thursday and I forgot to post it. i only remembered when I saw her wish her Dad one.
      hope everything is going okay for you all!

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  11. this was a good article up to a point. the author discusses why the election looks stolen–with the government’s own numbers. discussing how Trump’s votes went up some 11 million–(from 2016 to 2020) which is understandable. the economy was good, we were energy independent–he was showing America good times.
    however, the dem’s votes ALSO increased–some 15 million! people were angry that the economy was good and we were energy independent???? democrats increased their voters 23% in 2020—that’s HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and all for a man who never made it out of his basement?

    where the author loses me tho is his opinion that Trump should have just taken the loss and come back stronger in 2024 instead of making a fuss about the election. REALLY??????????
    vote harder will not work!!!!!!

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/08/still_doubting_the_2020_election.html

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  12. Good morning! Sliding on down….I’m cornfused….her Mother’s name was Baker, not Monroe….???
    “Monroe eventually decided to use her mother’s maiden name as her last name.” Huh??? OK, now to read back…..GT was waiting for breakfast but that cat is determined not to let me get closer than a foot…..alrighty then, if that’s the way you want it….sigh….scarfed his food and skedaddled again. We got a good bit of rain last night – jelly feeder was full of water – but I slept right thru it all. More rain off and on thru the week-end, supposedly. Heard the Canadian Geese flying overhead this morning – looks like fall is on it’s way! Noticed a couple of teensy beginning lopes on a couple of the vines yesterday. Oh, and I counted around 20 peaches on my tree – small, of course, but I’ll at least get a few before I have to take the whole thing down…then again, maybe I’ll just take off a few limbs and leave the rest to see what happens…..

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    1. Morning!
      yeah, Marilyn changed names a few time iirc.
      it will be interesting to see how GT responds in the colder weather…will he seek some shelter with you?
      it’s really clouding up here…hubby is going to try to mow…we’ll see.
      great news about the peaches!!!!!!!

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      1. That’s a good question – I guess I’ll find out, if he’s still coming around by then….I’ve got the white/grayish cloud cover here, too, and the humidity, with some fog. No breeze whatsoever. Temp is 71 now, we’ll see where it goes from there.

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  13. oh, i forgot!
    yesterday on the way back from my haircut, driving up the driveway I saw a bird on the ground. Looked like a ruffed grouse–we got a lot of them up here. As i edged closer, I saw her and 2 tiny things on the ground next to her–i thought leaves. then they moved! this picture is not mine but gives a good idea of her size and theirs. and she is NOT a large bird at all!

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          1. probably is the same one–it’s not one i took. I can’t drive and take pictures at the same time…LOL
            hell i can’t WALK and take pictures at the same time

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  14. “Nanotechnology Found in Both Vaxxed And Un-Vaxxed–Evidence of Crimes Against Humanity”
    (Video)
    GREG REESE
    AUG 5, 2023

    ENTIRE ARTICLE: “Doctor Charles Morgan, former CIA and consultant for the US military on neurological sciences, spoke to cadets at West Point in 2018 about the current state of technology. He briefed the cadets on experiments from 2013 where humans were given neural implants that allowed them to control prosthetic arms with their thoughts. Experiments where one person can control another person’s hands by just wearing an EEG cap. Experiments where information is transmitted from one mind to another. And experiments where memories are erased.

    Doctor Morgan admits they have the technology to target an individual person and are working on the ability to erase the memories of any human they choose. Their biggest challenge five years ago was being able to interface with the hippocampus without the use of physical wires. And this is most likely one of the motivating factors for the deployment of the experimental COVID shots.

    Using Dark-field microscopy, Doctor Ana Maria Mihalcea has captured in great detail what the scientific literature describes as effective technologies that exist today. Technology such as Quantum Dots.

    Quantum Dots are nanotechnology with the ability to organize, operate, communicate, and build structures within the blood. They do so with a tunable photoluminescence that can be programmed to dictate various tasks via optical communication. The description and images displayed in the scientific literature compared to what Mihalcea’s Dark-field microscopy has captured are the same. You can see the Quantum Dots blinking in different colors acting as the artificial intelligence directing the self-assembly around them. Bubbles are created within the blood that act as construction sites. Within these construction bubbles, the Quantum Dots organize the various materials into self-assembly.

    These technologies are being found in both the blood of the vaccinated and in the blood of the un-vaccinated. Depending on what materials are available, the Quantum Dots will trigger them into self-assembly. The COVID vaccines are full of rare and heavy metals to make all manner of nanotechnology. But it seems as if almost everyone is infected with some sort of nano-tech. According to several research teams, everyone’s blood seems to contain the materials required to produce the filaments, and the lattice work for this technology. Blood samples that appear to be healthy have been completely transformed by applying a mere 10 milliamps of electric current for two hours. And it looks as if we may have been infected by the Chemtrails.

    Morgellons disease was first reported in 2002. It’s when synthetic fibers or filaments are growing in a person’s body. It has been theorized for decades that this was being spread via Chemtrails. And under a microscope, it appears to be the same filaments that people today are calling blood clots. And what the scientific journals call self-assembled hydrogels. According to Dane Wiggington from Geoengineering watch dot org, nanoparticles are being sprayed worldwide.

    The good news is that Doctor Mihalcea’s research has found a remedy. The iron in the infected blood has been oxidized to a 3-plus state. And by taking antioxidants one is able to dissolve these filament clots. She has found that EDTA Chelation therapy will remedy infected blood within 3 days. And mega-dosing Vitamin C also works.”

    https://gregreese.substack.com/p/nanotechnology-found-in-both-vaxxed

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              1. I’ve heard that but with lawyers! LOL – same diff since most politicians ARE lawyers! If only we still had the original 13th Amendment, which would have prevented them from serving.

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  15. Excerpt from MSN article: “Minutes before Trump entered the pin-drop silent room, several federal judges — who have been processing the carnage of Jan. 6, 2021 for more than two years — filed into the public gallery, turning themselves into spectators in a building they typically rule. Chief Judge James Boasberg, who presided over several of the secret grand jury battles that preceded the charges against Trump, was among those marking the moment.
    ————–
    Boasberg’s presence in the courtroom was a statement in itself. Alongside him was Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who has in her own courtroom excoriated Republicans who have refused to contradict Trump’s continued lies about the 2020 election. The pair, flanked by other judges and magistrate judges, watched Trump’s every move intently.”

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  20. Good grief, Jesse Watters is stupid!!! I record his show….he claimed the Arab Spring came about because of something that happened in Tunisia!!! SMDH – that is the “official” story that is pure BS….yes, there was an incident there that caused upheaval across that area. However, the Egyptian Arab Spring would never have happened as it did without….once again….the involvement of Killary et al, Victoria Nuland, etc., etc., etc. That resulted in Mohammed Morsi being installed fraudulently as President!

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  25. Larry Schweikart gets it!!!

    2) Trump lawyer: the 3rd indictment opens the door to more scrutiny of the 2020 election. –Yes and no. According to Robert Barnes on his Wednesday night podcast, discovery in criminal cases is extremely limited, and instead, the defense has to rely on subpoenas of prosecution evidence, which can be quashed.

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  26. littleflower481
    August 5, 2023 11:14 am

    In NC, they are starting to report on the increase of covid cases again!!!Can you believe it!! I saw a woman with two little kids and they all had brand new masks on their faces.

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  29. Shipwreckedcrew
    @shipwreckedcrew
    Trump’s team should fight this protective order down to the last word.

    We have lived with protective orders in the J6 cases mostly because there was little upside to fighting them other than to prove a point.

    But the Gov’t has prosecuted Trump in the media for years. To bar him from commenting on the evidence against him is a violation of his First Amendment rights.

    The rules against disclosure of discovery to the public are intended to protect the jury pool from being prejudiced by disclosure of information that may never become part of the trial record.

    One of the most famous SCOTUS examples is when a confession by a criminal defendant — known to be false — was widely publicized in the local press. There was no way to protect the juror pool in the small community from knowing the details of the confession but it was never going to be part of the evidence at trial.

    That is an example of why discovery is sometimes subject to a protective order.

    But there is no good faith argument to be made here that the Gov’t has been sensitive to avoiding the creation of bias in the juror pool by its pre-indictment conduct.

    There is no rule or principle of law that protects the identity of witnesses or their testimony before the Grand Jury. I say this over and over — the secrecy rules before the GJ apply to the Court staff and Govt actors — no one else.

    Here is the relevant text of Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e):

    ____

    (2) Secrecy.

    (A) No obligation of secrecy may be imposed on any person except in accordance with Rule 6(e)(2)(B).

    (B) Unless these rules provide otherwise, the following persons must not disclose a matter occurring before the grand jury:

    (i) a grand juror;

    (ii) an interpreter;

    (iii) a court reporter;

    (iv) an operator of a recording device;

    (v) a person who transcribes recorded testimony;

    (vi) an attorney for the government; or

    (vii) a person to whom disclosure is made under Rule 6(e)(3)(A)(ii) or (iii).

    _____

    Not mentioned anywhere in that list are the witnesses themselves, attorneys for the witnesses, the defendant, or the defense team.

    You cannot make use of the GJ for the purpose of harassing or intimidating a witness — that is obstruction.

    But the Gov’t was not obligated to produce GJ witness transcripts at this point in the case — SCO Smith made the decision to do that as part of a gambit to force an early trial.

    Having that information that he controlled become public is a function of his decision-making.

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  30. LOL…wouldn’t that be a hoot

    Bonitabaycane
    August 5, 2023 12:19 pm

    A Federal Prosecutor in Florida should empanel a Grand Jury and indict Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith, and Fani Willis for Election Interference.

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    1. Well, that’s BS, too! It would cost a WHOLE lot more to go electric in the long-run, considering what it takes to GET that electricity!!!!

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  40. TrumpPatriot
    August 5, 2023 1:49 pm

    I know you’ll be shocked to hear this.

    The 2 DOJ lawyers handling the case against Trump for J6 and attempts to “overturn” 2020 election are the same DOJ lawyers who declined to prosecute Andy McCabe for lying under oath–never mind his own role in 2016 election interference: pic.twitter.com/NHtTmBun8e

    — Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) August 5, 2023

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  41. “So this is a true story – I think…There was this doctor guy who lived in my neighborhood when I was a kid and he had one of these goofy Aqua-Car things and he usta take it out on the lakes in Branch Brook Park on Sunday mornings. Well, one day he was out in the middle of the lake in front of Sacred Heart Cathedral with a coupla people and the fucking thing sank right out from under them. Water there was only about 20 feet deep and they were able to swim to shore without much problem, but ya know what? I never saw or heard anything about them ever getting that thing out of the water. For all I know, it may still be down there.”


    “Reason #32 why I never had kids…”

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  42. “I was happy to see that they locked this jackass up yesterday after he started all that shit up in The City, but what the fuck is Twitch? Is that another social media bullshit platform just for the usual suspects? ‘Cause, honestly, if you look at the pictures from that mob scene, ain’t one of ’em I could see ain’t a usual suspect, if ya catch my drift…”

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    1. i read this and in the comment section people asking the same thing? these thugs can’t steal as many as they want? half of those arrested were juveniles. something seriously wrong with this crowd…they’re looking for a reason–ANY reason– to commit crimes and run wild.
      MAKE THEM SCRUB SUBWAY CARS AND TOILETS IN PUBLIC SERVICE!!!

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    1. I posted an article about that yesterday at M’s. At least, I think it was there and not here…but who knows? I can never remember which blog I’m on! LOL

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  44. “DOJ Lawyers Handling Trump J6 Case Declined to Prosecute Disgraced FBI Chief Andrew McCabe. J.P. Cooney and Molly Gaston, longtime DOJ creatures now assigned to Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team, refused to charge McCabe in 2020.”
    JULIE KELLY
    AUG 5, 2023
    EXCERPT: “When Special Counsel Jack Smith entered a D.C. courtroom on Thursday afternoon to witness the arraignment of Donald Trump on four criminal counts related to the former president’s alleged attempt to “overturn” the 2020 election, one longtime Department of Justice official accompanied Smith: Molly Gaston, an assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia now tasked to Smith’s team.
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    Gaston, according to reports, was the prosecutor awaiting the grand jury’s decision on Tuesday then filed the indictment with the D.C. District Court late that afternoon. But just a few years ago, Gaston appeared unconcerned with “lies” told by another top government official. Gaston and fellow prosecutor J.P. Cooney, also currently assigned to Smith’s team, informed Andrew McCabe—the former acting FBI Director who was fired in 2018 for lying to federal investigators—that he would not be charged.
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    Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz had concluded McCabe lied to FBI and OIG agents on four occasions—including three times other oath—related to his involvement in authorizing a leak to the Wall Street Journal about an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation “to advance his personal interests at the expense of Department leadership.”

    “[The] OIG found that then-Deputy Director Andrew McCabe lacked candor, including under oath, on multiple occasions in connection with describing his role in connection with a disclosure to the WSJ,” Horowitz wrote. He then forwarded the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia; the referral ultimately ended up on Cooney’s desk.

    Ironically, or not, Cooney and Gaston now have a leading role in prosecuting the former president for “creat[ing] an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erod[ing] public faith in the administration of the election,”—something that DOJ employees including McCabe did successfully by attempting to run Trump out of office based on lies about Trump-Russian election collusion…..”

    https://www.declassified.live/p/doj-lawyers-handling-trump-j6-case

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      1. Yeah, my camping days are certainly over, that’s for sure! Sure wish I could find someone to go fishing with, tho – that I would enjoy.

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