The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Edmund Fitzgerald, St. Mary’s River, 1975. Photo by Bob Campbell

The legend of the Edmund Fitzgerald remains the most mysterious and controversial of all shipwreck tales heard around the Great Lakes. Her story is surpassed in books, film and media only by that of the Titanic. Canadian folksinger Gordon Lightfoot inspired popular interest in this vessel with his 1976 ballad, “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.”The Edmund Fitzgerald was lost with her entire crew of 29 men on Lake Superior November 10, 1975, 17 miles north-northwest of Whitefish Point, Michigan. Whitefish Point is the site of the Whitefish Point Light Station and Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum. The Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society (GLSHS) has conducted three underwater expeditions to the wreck, 1989, 1994, and 1995.At the request of family members surviving her crew, Fitzgerald’s 200 lb. bronze bell was recovered by the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society on July 4, 1995. This expedition was conducted jointly with the National Geographic Society, Canadian Navy, Sony Corporation, and Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians. The bell is now on display in the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum as a memorial to her lost crew.The Fateful Journeyby Sean Ley, Development OfficerThe final voyage of the Edmund Fitzgerald began November 9, 1975 at the Burlington Northern Railroad Dock No.1, Superior, Wisconsin. Captain Ernest M. McSorley had loaded her with 26,116 long tons of taconite pellets, made of processed iron ore, heated and rolled into marble-size balls. Departing Superior about 2:30 pm, she was soon joined by the Arthur M. Anderson, which had departed Two Harbors, Minnesota under Captain Bernie Cooper. The two ships were in radio contact. The Fitzgerald being the faster took the lead, with the distance between the vessels ranging from 10 to 15 miles.Aware of a building November storm entering the Great Lakes from the great plains, Captain McSorley and Captain Cooper agreed to take the northerly course across Lake Superior, where they would be protected by highlands on the Canadian shore. This took them between Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula. They would later make a turn to the southeast to eventually reach the shelter of Whitefish Point.Weather conditions continued to deteriorate. Gale warnings had been issued at 7 pm on November 9, upgraded to storm warnings early in the morning of November 10. While conditions were bad, with winds gusting to 50 knots and seas 12 to 16 feet, both Captains had often piloted their vessels in similar conditions. In the early afternoon of November 10, the Fitzgerald had passed Michipicoten Island and was approaching Caribou Island. The Anderson was just approaching Michipicoten, about three miles off the West End Light.Captain Cooper maintained that he watched the Edmund Fitzgerald pass far too close to Six Fathom Shoal to the north of Caribou Island. He could clearly see the ship and the beacon on Caribou on his radar set and could measure the distance between them. He and his officers watched the Fitzgerald pass right over the dangerous area of shallow water. By this time, snow and rising spray had obscured the Fitzgerald from sight, visible 17 miles ahead on radar.At 3:30 pm that afternoon, Captain McSorley radioed Captain Cooper and said: “Anderson, this is the Fitzgerald. I have a fence rail down, two vents lost or damaged, and a list. I’m checking down. Will you stay by me till I get to Whitefish?” McSorley was checking down his speed to allow the Anderson to close the distance for safety. Captain Cooper asked McSorley if he had his pumps going, and McSorley said, “Yes, both of them.”

“The Wreck Site II” by David Conklin

As the afternoon wore on, radio communications with the Fitzgerald concerned navigational information but no extraordinarily alarming reports were offered by Captain McSorley. At about 5:20 pm the crest of a wave smashed the Anderson’s starboard lifeboat, making it unusable. Captain Cooper reported winds from the NW x W at a steady 58 knots with gusts to 70 knots, and seas of 18 to 25 feet.

According to Captain Cooper, about 6:55 pm, he and the men in the Anderson’s pilothouse felt a “bump”, felt the ship lurch, and then turned to see a monstrous wave engulfing their entire vessel from astern. The wave worked its way along the deck, crashing on the back of the pilothouse, driving the bow of the Anderson down into the sea.

“Then the Anderson just raised up and shook herself off of all that water – barrooff – just like a big dog. Another wave just like the first one or bigger hit us again. I watched those two waves head down the lake towards the Fitzgerald, and I think those were the two that sent him under.”

Keeping Watch

Morgan Clark, first mate of the Anderson, kept watching the Fitzgerald on the radar set to calculate her distance from some other vessels near Whitefish Point. He kept losing sight of the Fitzgerald on the radar from sea return, meaning that seas were so high they interfered with the radar reflection. First mate Clark spoke to the Fitzgerald one last time, about 7:10 pm:

“Fitzgerald, this is the Anderson. Have you checked down?”

“Yes, we have.”

“Fitzgerald, we are about 10 miles behind you, and gaining about 1 1/2 miles per hour. Fitzgerald, there is a target 19 miles ahead of us. So the target would be 9 miles on ahead of you.”

“Well,” answered Captain McSorley, “Am I going to clear?”

“Yes, he is going to pass to the west of you.”

“Well, fine.”

“By the way, Fitzgerald, how are you making out with your problems?” asked Clark.

“We are holding our own.”

“Okay, fine, I’ll be talking to you later.” Clark signed off.

The radar signal, or “pip” of the Fitzgerald kept getting obscured by sea return. And around 7:15 pm, the pip was lost again, but this time, did not reappear. Clark called the Fitzgerald again at about 7:22 pm. There was no answer.

Captain Cooper contacted the other ships in the area by radio asking if anyone had seen or heard from the Fitzgerald. The weather had cleared dramatically. His written report states:

“At this time I became very concerned about the Fitzgerald – couldn’t see his lights when we should have. I then called the William Clay Ford to ask him if my phone was putting out a good signal and also if perhaps the Fitzgerald had rounded the point and was in shelter, after a negative report I called the Soo Coast Guard because I was sure something had happened to the Fitzgerald. The Coast Guard were at this time trying to locate a 16-foot boat that was overdue.”

With mounting apprehension, Captain Cooper called the Coast Guard once again, about 8:00 pm, and firmly expressed his concern for the welfare of the Fitzgerald. The Coast Guard then initiated its search for the missing ship. By that time the Anderson had reached the safety of Whitefish Bay to the relief of all aboard. But the Coast Guard called Captain Cooper back at 9:00 pm:

“Anderson, this is Group Soo. What is your present position?”

“We’re down here, about two miles off Parisienne Island right now…the wind is northwest forty to forty-five miles here in the bay.”

“Is it calming down at all, do you think?”

“In the bay it is, but I heard a couple of the salties talking up there, and they wish they hadn’t gone out.”

“Do you think there is any possibility and you could…ah…come about and go back there and do any searching?”

“Ah…God, I don’t know…ah…that…that sea out there is tremendously large. Ah…if you want me to, I can, but I’m not going to be making any time; I’ll be lucky to make two or three miles an hour going back out that way.”

“Well, you’ll have to make a decision as to whether you will be hazarding your vessel or not, but you’re probably one of the only vessels right now that can get to the scene. We’re going to try to contact those saltwater vessels and see if they can’t possibly come about and possibly come back also…things look pretty bad right now; it looks like she may have split apart at the seams like the Morrell did a few years back.”

“Well, that’s what I been thinking. But we were talking to him about seven and he said that everything was going fine. He said that he was going along like an old shoe; no problems at all.”

“Well, again, do you think you could come about and go back and have a look in the area?”

“Well, I’ll go back and take a look, but God, I’m afraid I’m going to take a hell of a beating out there… I’ll turn around and give ‘er a whirl, but God, I don’t know. I’ll give it a try.”

“That would be good.”

“Do you realize what the conditions are out there?”

No reply from the Coast Guard. Captain Cooper tries again.

“Affirmative. From what your reports are I can appreciate the conditions. Again, though, I have to leave that decision up to you as to whether it would be hazarding your vessel or not. If you think you can safely go back up to the area, I would request that you do so. But I have to leave the decision up to you.”

“I’ll give it a try, but that’s all I can do.”

The Anderson turned out to be the primary vessel in the search, taking the lead. With the ship pounding and rolling badly, the crew of the Anderson discovered the Fitzgerald’s two lifeboats and other debris but no sign of survivors. Only one other vessel, the William Clay Ford, was able to leave the safety of Whitefish Bay to join in the search at the time. The Coast Guard launched a fixed-wing HU-16 aircraft at 10 pm and dispatched two cutters, the Naugatuck and the Woodrush. The Naugatuck arrived at 12:45 pm on November 11, and the Woodrush arrived on November 14, having journeyed all the way from Duluth, Minnesota.

The Coast Guard conducted an extensive and thorough search. On November 14, a U.S. Navy plane equipped with a magnetic anomaly detector located a strong contact 17 miles north-northwest of Whitefish Point. During the following three days, the Coast Guard cutter Woodrush, using a sidescan sonar, located two large pieces of wreckage in the same area. Another sonar survey was conducted November 22-25.

Finding the Fitzgerald

Restored Fitzgerald bell – Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum

The following May, 1976, Woodrush was again on the scene to conduct a third sidescan sonar survey. Contacts were strong enough to bring in the U.S. Navy’s CURV III controlled underwater recovery vehicle, operating from Woodrush.

The CURV III unit took 43,000 feet of video tape and 900 photographs of the wreck. On May 20, 1976, the words “Edmund Fitzgerald” were clearly seen on the stern, upside down, 535 feet below the surface of the lake.

On April 15, 1977 the U.S. Coast Guard released its official report of “Subject: S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald, official number 277437, sinking in Lake Superior on 10 November 1975 with loss of life.” While the Coast Guard said the cause of the sinking could not be conclusively determined, it maintained that “the most probable cause of the sinking of the S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald was the loss of buoyancy and stability resulting from massive flooding of the cargo hold. The flooding of the cargo hold took place through ineffective hatch closures as boarding seas rolled along the spar deck.”

However, the Lake Carrier’s Association vigorously disagreed with the Coast Guard’s suggestion that the lack of attention to properly closing the hatch covers by the crew was responsible for the disaster. They issued a letter to the National Transportation Safety Board in September, 1977. The Lake Carrier’s Association was inclined to accept that Fitzgerald passed over the Six Fathom Shoal Area as reported by Captain Cooper.

Later, in a videotaped conversation with GLSHS, Captain Cooper said that he always believed McSorley knew something serious had happened to Fitzgerald as the ship passed over Caribou Shoal. Cooper believes that from that point on, McSorley knew he was sinking.

Conflicting theories about the cause of the tragedy remain active today. GLSHS’ three expeditions to the wreck revealed that it is likely she “submarined” bow first into an enormous sea, as damage forward is indicative of a powerful, quick force to the superstructure. But what caused the ship to take on water, enough to lose buoyancy and dive to the bottom so quickly, without a single cry for help, cannot be determined.

Twenty-nine men were lost when the Fitzgerald went down. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence to determine the cause of the sinking. The bell of the ship is now on display in the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum as a memorial to her lost crew.

Source: https://www.shipwreckmuseum.com/edmund-fitzgerald/

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  1. That was interesting. I had heard of the wreck of course, thanks to the song, but never knew the details. I’ll bet it was one of those rogue waves that can seemingly rise out of nowhere. This is why I don’t go on the ocean!

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        1. Oh, yeah! It became impossible for me to post anything positive at either site – just beyond my abilities, I was sooooo pissed off and sick of the platitudes, lies and fantasies……I decided it was best to just get off and head for my chair around 4 pm. Browsed thru a magazine, tried to read, watched a couple of feel-good shows, then fell asleep. Drug myself to my bed around 2 am or so, then woke up at 4 am. When you have no other constraints, you can sleep when you feel like it. I did wake up once at one point and realize I heard rain on the roof – still getting some off-and-on, temp has gone from 37 to 35 since I got up. Supposed to get into the teens the next couple of nights.

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  8. this is SICK SICK SICK

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    1. The Bible predicted this….

      “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God….” – I Tim 3:1-4

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    1. with all he did with banning no excuse mail in votes (or at least they credit HIM with that–didn’t the legislature have anything to do with it?) they didn’t get rid of the MACHINES

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  14. EXCERPT: “Parents are outraged after a school in North Carolina was caught recommending the disgusting “This Book Is Gay” to 7th grade students. Among other outrages, the book teaches males how to engage in various sexual acts such as oral sex with other males. Other schools nationwide also have the book.

    The scandal went national after Christy Wade, a furious local mother, read excerpts from the book at the Charlotte-Mecklenburg School Board meeting last week. The graphic perversion is almost too much to believe, with 12-year-old children taught minute details of how to engage in abominable sex acts.

    In a chapter headlined “The Ins and Outs of Gay Sex,” for example, which the mother read out loud, children are given details of how to give “hand jobs” properly, calling it the “most important skill you will master” as a homosexual. “Good news is you can practice it on yourself,” the book says.

    The details are so outrageous and grotesque that, even though they are in a book being recommended by government “educators” for 7th graders, we will not quote them here. Suffice it to say that it is beyond the pale for any reasonable person — much less for children.”

    https://thenewamerican.com/7th-graders-get-ins-and-outs-of-gay-sex-at-school/

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  15. HOT TAKE:@RepAndyBiggsAZ says the Republican caucus should debate the future of leadership in the House, adding that a “Speaker McCarthy” should not be a foregone conclusion for a Republican majority. pic.twitter.com/gaPvO5JbRy

    — The Absolute Truth with Emerald Robinson (@AbsoluteWithE) November 9, 2022

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  16. FTA
    House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) announced a bid to become the next House majority leader on Wednesday as the GOP appears likely to win a narrow majority in the lower chamber.

    “The American people deserve a House of Representatives that can move the agenda that was promised to them on the campaign trail,” Scalise said in a letter addressed to his GOP colleagues in the House.

    “As your Majority Leader, I will work relentlessly to usher our vision through the House and show the country how conservative ideas can solve the problems that families are facing,” he added.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3727731-scalise-announces-bid-for-house-majority-leader/amp/

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    1. “Now go to @bgmasters. He’s up in the polls now and everyone is talking red wave. But just like me, he was DOWN when people were voting early and also just like me, the GOP screwed him hard early.

      We need guys like Blake. They are the future. So hear me when I tell you, you should be worried. And if you’re in Arizona, consider this a race you are currently losing. Go vote. Drag everyone you know. He’s gonna need it.”

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  18. hmmmmmmmmmmm…from tcth

    luckycin
    November 10, 2022 6:41 am

    I have been involved in Politics for long time started the Martin 912 Tea Party Committee in Stuart FL.I am no FOOL worked on Newts American Solutions the fair Tax , supported Ron Paul,was on the board of Flordians for Legal Imigration, a Pat Buchanan reader, and much more. Ron DeSantis we interveiwed twice when he ran for the House and Senate we were not impressed. He wrote the Red Flag Bill when in congress and now that sits on Rubios desk. A smart STAFFER told me many months ago DeSantis is ruining Florida because of the growth. He is right we have been over run by developers real estate and the chambers all donated to Desantis. Everywhere you go they over building!!!
    All grant money is about the SCAM Un Agneda 21/2030 which has adopted in most towns and cities in florida WHERE IS RON????? I am a MAGA supporter and I beleive the future will be JD Vance he understands Make America Great Again manufactoring Tariffs etc. Trump put his life on the line and his family .Just a note Steve Bannon and Donald Trump came to Joe Dugan Tea party Convention and spoke in 2016 not that anyone would remember but I do I kept a Journal from 2009 so I know the story of the Tea party/912 it is very personal. Thank You for the blog

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  20. EXCERPT: “The Biden administration is about to sign a contract with Dataminr – a licensing deal for the company’s product that is used in the monitoring of social media.

    This is revealed in documents published by the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) which will buy 30 licenses to deploy Dataminr’s First Alert V2, designed for the public sector and the scouring of 200,000 online sources and data mining, then compiling real-time news alerts for the White House, and other clients.

    Dataminr is a popular tool used by news desks and others that want to monitor the internet and it’s easy to see why it would be useful to the government. Portions of the press show an unfavorable attitude towards Dataminr because it was used by police in many cities, including New York and Los Angeles, to monitor the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests and riots.

    US Defense Department’s non-civilian employees already use Dataminr’s services thanks to a 2021 contract signed with the Air Force.

    DISA said in June it had no plans to directly or in another way “involve” Twitter as a subcontractor. In August, this agency that handles the White House communications said it needed a contract (with Dataminr) of its own because civilians it employs cannot utilize mass surveillance of social media through that Air Force deal.”

    https://reclaimthenet.org/white-house-to-partner-with-social-media-monitoring-tool/

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  21. Entire Article @ ReclaimTheNet: “A man in Spain has been fined and given a suspended prison sentence for spreading fake news on Twitter. He posted a video of a man assaulting a woman and falsely claimed that the assault took place in a town in the state of Catalonia and that the attacker was a migrant. The assault actually took place in China. The video was recorded in China and published by authorities to help catch the perpetrator in June 2019.

    The man, identified as JM, is a member of Spain’s Guardia Civil police. He admitted his crimes and was given a suspended prison sentence and a €1620 fine ($1,629.) He is the first person in Spain to be convicted for spreading fake news. He captioned the video posted in July this year, “Here you have the video of the Moroccan MENA (unaccompanied foreign minor) in Canet de Mar, it’s these people who we’ll pay benefits to until they are 23.”

    The court said he shared the video, which had 22,000 views, with “manifest disregard for the truth” to “globally and unfairly defame unaccompanied children from other countries” so that they were associated with violent attacks and sexual assaults. The court added that postings like JM’s “increase prejudices and stereotypes of this especially vulnerable group among the general population.”

    The conditions of his sentence include attending a course on equality and the closing of his social media accounts. The court said the man’s online profile also had symbols associated with neo-Nazi groups and slogans used by the American racist group, the Klu Klux Klan.”

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  22. here’s my ground report from the banana run…
    shelves are STOCKED…except for pasta again…LOL
    walmart had butterball turkeys $1.18 a pound–a bump from last year, but not horrendously so. they also had several no name turkeys–I do not need a turkey (and I seldom make a whole turkey) but these were $.89/pound and had a use by date of June 2024…so i got one for the freezer. I might bake it during the winter and make turkey pot pies.
    the only thing i did not see that was on my list was large shrimp–they had small and x-large but hubby likes the large ones.
    of course Christmas is in full season everywhere in the store, except for the music (thank goodness)

    and gas has gone up $.15 in the last 3 days

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  24. Entire Article @ FrontPageMag: “In 2014, then-Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel set a terrible precedent, when he hired Nezar Hamze, a representative from CAIR, a group with numerous links to terrorism, as a Deputy at the Broward Sheriff’s Office (BSO). Hamze ‘opened doors’ for Sheriff Israel, by introducing the Sheriff at radical mosques. Five years later, Israel was removed from his position and replaced with Gregory Tony. Yet, not only has Tony kept Hamze on the force, but he has gone much further in his embrace of Islamists, even having them participate in his 9/11 memorial. Why is Sheriff Tony legitimizing these sinister entities and exposing the BSO to such security threats?

    The BSO has found a dangerous partner in the Islamic Center of South Florida (ICOSF), a radical mosque located in Pompano Beach. This past April, Sheriff Tony and a number of BSO officers showed up to ICOSF for a Ramadan ‘Break the Fast.’ In June, it looked as if the entire BSO showed up to the mosque’s 2022 Summer Camp. In October, the ICOSF Sisterhood sponsored a BSO event at the mosque, where the female BSO representatives donned hijabs.

    ICOSF is owned by the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), a group named by the US a co-conspirator to Hamas financing. ICOSF’s Imam Hasan Sabri has cursed America as an “enemy” and threatened Muslims who accept her help. ICOSF regularly brings controversial imams Monzer Taleb and Fadi Kablawi to the mosque to give khutbahs (sermons). Taleb is a self-professed member of Hamas, who posted on Facebook that Jews in Israel “should be relocated to Germany.” Kablawi, who the FBI says is a member of ISIS, has called Jews “the lowest of the lowest”; blamed women for rape; and said gays should thank him for their continued existence.

    Appearing in a number of photographs with Sheriff Tony is ICOSF’s Dawah Director Rasheed Mahamad. Apart from his involvement with the mosque, Mahamad is the Assistant Secretary of the American Muslim Association of North America (AMANA), a group that has been condemned by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for posting “venomous” anti-Semitic material on its official website and whose President Sofian Zakkout was removed from two prominent anti-crime boards for his support of Hamas and Holocaust denial.

    This past September, Sheriff Tony hosted a ‘Unity in Faith Prayer Breakfast and 9/11 Memorial,’ which, according to Tony, “joined BSO and the community to pray and honor the men and women who lost their lives on September 11, 2001.” A photo from the event has the Sheriff bowing has head in prayer with Shafayat Mohamed, the Imam of the Pembroke Pines-based Darul Uloom Institute (DUI), which has been a haven for high-profile al-Qaeda terrorists. Mohamed, himself, has been thrown off a number of Broward boards for his harsh rhetoric against homosexuals.

    Also attending the 9/11 Memorial and posing for photos with the Sheriff were Samir Kakli and Gibson Lopez, representatives from the South Florida Muslim Federation (SFMF), an umbrella group for radical Muslim institutions. In the pics as well was Sultan Mohiuddin, Imam of the Islamic Foundation of South Florida (IFSF), another radical mosque with a sordid history. IFSF has hosted a talk by Mazen Mokhtar, ex-admin for an al-Qaeda finance/recruitment website and supporter of suicide bombings. IFSF’s ex-Youth Director Abdur Rahman al-Ghani, used social media to label Jews “demonic” and America the “World’s Number One Terrorist Organization.”

    Last month, Sheriff Tony and the BSO hosted a ‘National Faith & Blue’ community event, featuring “Games, Competitions, Prizes” and a “Musical Concert.” However, the event also featured a prayer made by Mohiuddin and photo ops once again with Mohiuddin and the Muslim Federation.

    A common element at these BSO events is the presence of BSO Colonel Munib Ahmed, who holds the secondary title of Executive Officer to the Sheriff. Essentially, Munib is second in charge to Sheriff Tony, and his profile is depicted as such on the BSO website. His prominence in the event photos is undeniable. It appears that Ahmed, a Muslim whose parents grew up in Saudi Arabia and India, is the go-between for Sheriff Tony and the radical Muslim community. Colonel Ahmed is Sheriff Tony’s Nezar Hamze version 2.0.

    Recently, Sheriff Tony was added to the Brady List, a watch list that prosecutors use to keep track of law enforcement officers who have engaged in or have been accused of misconduct. Questions have arisen about Tony’s truthfulness regarding things that transpired when he was in his early teens. This has made him a candidate for potential removal from office. However, Sheriff Tony’s actions regarding Islamists amount to far worse infractions with far reaching repercussions.

    Sheriff Tony’s continued embrace of terror supporting Muslims and their mosques is a blatant conflict of interests vis-à-vis his oath to ‘protect and serve’ the community, whose safety is his responsibility. His dereliction of duty, in this regard, must not remain unchallenged. The public should be calling for his immediate resignation to prevent further harm to their well-being and national security.”

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  25. if we fail to get a majority in the senate, i hope we get one in the house…because “hopefully” we can take back the purse strings from spend, spend, spend ultra maggot and slow down the destruction of the country. refuse to fund the sesspool in ukraine, refuse to fund those 87,000 more irs employees, defund the fib, epa, fda and every letter agency

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  26. Holy crap! Ann Coulter is filled with nothing but venom!!!!

    EXCERPT @ BB (Of course the Mercers would love this one!): “Instead, the Georgia Senate race ended up being the most expensive in the country — money that Republicans really could have used in other races. Walker, as of this writing, appears to be headed for a runoff. Trump is on track to screw that one up too, by announcing that he’s running for president, so he can make it all about himself again.

    That’s exactly what he did at his campaign rallies this week, showing up where he wasn’t wanted and doing the same old schtick about the Russia investigation, his “perfect” call to Zelensky, “Shifty Schiff” (Rep. Adam Schiff) and what an awesome president he was — including what a badass he’d be on crime. (Trump during the first debate with Biden: “You called them ‘super-predators.’ African Americans are super-predators … I’m letting people out of jail now!”)

    If Walker loses, let the record show that this will be the third consecutive Georgia Senate seat Trump has lost for Republicans.

    When the Republican governor of the second-largest state wins his reelection by 55 percent and the Republican governor of the third-largest state wins by 60 percent, the GOP doesn’t need another one of its moronic “autopsies” of the party, promising to be just like the Democrats.”

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  27. Good news!!!

    Nebraska soon may be able to pass legislation to protect unborn babies from abortion after Tuesday election results show Republicans winning a filibuster-proof majority in the state legislature. Although Republicans currently control the state legislature, they fell a few votes short of the two-thirds majority necessary to overcome a filibuster and pass pro-life legislation this year.

    Now, they may have those votes. The Grand Island Independent reports election results Wednesday morning show Republicans gaining enough seats in the Nebraska Legislature to overcome a filibuster. Some votes are still being counted, but both the Independent and the Nebraska Examiner predict Republicans will win, creating a filibuster-proof majority in 2023.

    According to the Examiner, Republican candidate Merv Riepe defeated Democrat candidate Robin Richards in a closely-watched race, flipping the Omaha-area seat to Republican. Here’s more from the report:

    ‘If late vote counts don’t change the results, the GOP would gain one seat, obtaining a 33-vote supermajority in the Unicameral Legislature. That could give Republicans the power to pass several conservative initiatives that had been blocked by filibusters in the past. Those include bills to ban or further restrict abortion, allow carrying of concealed weapons without a state permit or training, and provide a state tax break for contributions to private schools.

    Voters also elected a new pro-life Republican governor, Jim Pillen, who has described protecting unborn babies from abortion as a “moral and economic imperative” in Nebraska. “Abortion is murder and as a pro-life state the majority of Nebraskans recognize that we need to outlaw it,” Pillen said in April, according to KFOR Now. “Wouldn’t it be wonderful with conservative leadership in a pro-life state, that we stop abortion? Just where would we be if we didn’t slaughter 220,000 babies in the last 49 years?” he added in February speech.

    Some Nebraska cities already protect unborn babies by banning abortions. On Tuesday, voters in Wallace, Hershey, Brady, Paxton and Arnold approved ordinances that protect unborn babies by banning abortions within their limits.

    Mark Lee Dickson, founder of the Sanctuary Cities for the Unborn initiative, said Nebraska now has eight municipalities that protect unborn babies from abortion, thanks to the votes Tuesday. Because the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June, 13 states now are enforcing pro-life laws that prohibit or strictly limit the killing of unborn babies in abortions, and others are fighting in court to do the same.

    New research estimates up to 10,000 unborn babies already have been saved from abortion since these laws went into effect this summer, and hundreds of thousands more are expected to be saved from death in the coming years.

    Polls consistently show a strong majority of Americans support legal protections for unborn babies, especially after the first trimester or once their heartbeat is detectable.”

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          1. For me, it is the same, whether pre- or post-birth – IMO, after the heartbeat (at a minimum, but it is really the zinc spark), that is a separate human being simply being nurtured and fed by the Mother, as nature intended. Just because humans are far more numerous than Eagles, it’s ok to kill human babies but not disrupt their eggs? BULL SHIT!!! Human beings are more important than animals ALWAYS!!

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  28. Entire Article @ Daily Caller

    “Daily Caller co-founder and Fox News host Tucker Carlson will deliver the keynote address at the House Freedom Caucus’ new member orientation Thursday, sources tell the Caller.

    The invitation, which Carlson accepted, came from Republican Texas Rep. Chip Roy. The event will be hosted by the Conservative Partnership Institute (CPI), where former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows serves as a senior partner. Carlson is set to deliver the speech just two days after Tuesday’s midterm elections, in which a Republican “red wave” failed to materialize.”

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  29. I hate to do it….but I am not posting the link!!!! From GP:

    The 2022 Elections
    Guest post by Roger Stone

    “I seriously feel like we are watching the first wholly manufactured election in our history, in which all of the key competitive races have had the results directly programmed by the cabal. The most crushing economic conditions, rampant crime, reckless foreign/nuclear war flirtations, and the most aggressive perverse assaults on family and parental rights in history, all topped off by an embarrassing unpopular disaster in the White House leading a shrill, tin-eared bellicose fascist junta that appears indifferent to the ordeal they are inflicting on working people…and yet the Democrat monolith is barely dented.

    Either the country has large states filled with brainwashed zealots who are too stupid and mindless to comprehend the reality of the collective damage they are ratifying with their votes for at best lackluster at worst appallingly deficient if not retarded candidates….or we are seeing direct black box voting manipulation at the level of final tabulations being perpetrated on a scale that renders typical ballot and voter fraud schemes unnecessary anachronisms as the decisive votes that have now kept the ruling junta largely intact, or at most just a hair from having an operating majority, are literal fabrications piled onto Democrat vote totals by a few keystrokes entered in some master election hacking operation run by IC criminals in league with and part of the Democrat Crime Syndicate.

    The experts Mike Lindell brought together have been quite explicit and factually well-supported in laying out how the fraud goes far deeper and is far more comprehensive than any sort of ham-handed ballot harvesting, ballot box stuffing or illegal voting schemes on the ground. I mean, Festerman’s supposed win is beyond any rational explanation and defies every known political and electoral principle and truism that we have seen hold firm throughout our entire history…

    Direct, surreptitious, totally undetectable, untraceable digital alteration of final tabulation numbers, obviating any need for any physical interventions or tampering of any kind, are the only viable option to repel and nullify the sheer popular electoral force of a such a galvanizing wave election as this one had been building up to, by nearly all empirical indications,

    God save us.”

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    1. And this should tell you all you need to know about “The Right Scoop!” RINO all the way!!!

      “McEnany is just reading the tea leaves from last night’s race. But something tells me that Trump won’t be that receptive to this kind of advice, with the suggestion being he’s part of the problem.

      I hope Trump does take McEnany’s advice to give us the best chance of picking up the seat. We’ll see.”

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      1. I wish we could figure out a way to show our support for REALPOTUS in real time and silence all this bullshit!
        and possibly deflate desanctimonious’s head in the process

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        1. Only way is social media….FB, Twitter, Gab, TS, Telegram, etc., etc. And posting on comment threads….I really need to get back to doing that at least but I’m not doing social media any more.

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  31. Interesting….from Idaho:

    EXCERPT: “BOISE (Idaho Statesman) — Former Republican congressman Raúl Labrador has secured his win against Democratic opponent Tom Arkoosh in the race for Idaho attorney general. With all but two of Idaho’s 44 counties fully reporting, according to the Idaho secretary of state’s office, Labrador led Wednesday with 62% of the votes, while Arkoosh received 38%. Labrador was ahead by nearly 140,000 votes as of 9 a.m.

    Labrador claimed victory in a speech at the Republican rally Tuesday night. “I’ve been out of this game for a few years and I’m excited to fight for you once again,” Labrador said. “The people of Idaho deserve an attorney general who understands that his job is to represent the people and bureaucracy of Idaho.”

    Labrador is a former state legislator and U.S. representative who ran for governor in 2018, when he lost in the GOP primary to Brad Little. Since then, he has served as the head of the Idaho GOP and as a member of the Central District Health board.
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    Labrador defeated longtime attorney general Lawrence Wasden in the May primary after painting himself as “a fighter.” He criticized the incumbent for not involving Idaho in a lawsuit that sought to overturn 2020 presidential election results in swing states that voted for Joe Biden.

    Labrador has repeated false allegations that the 2020 election was “stolen in plain sight.”

    Arkoosh, a former Gem County prosecutor and longtime Boise lawyer, joined the race late when the Democratic candidate withdrew. Arkoosh said he was previously an unaffiliated voter but didn’t support what he viewed as Labrador’s politicization of the attorney general position.

    Arkoosh earned support from dozens of prominent Republicans, including former Idaho Secretary of State Ben Ysursa and former Republican attorney general and Idaho Supreme Court justice Jim Jones. In a speech at the Democrats’ rally Tuesday evening, Arkoosh thanked his Republican supporters, as well as the Democrats who welcomed him to their party. “I had a tremendous amount of Republican backers because they recognize that the train is off the rails,” Arkoosh said.

    Labrador has said he’ll immediately delegate some attorneys to represent the Idaho Legislature and advise state lawmakers on crafting bills that will withstand legal challenges. He also plans to create a solicitor general position to focus on “one-on-one” consumer protection cases.”

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  32. EXCERPT: “Now, the prescription:

    1. Democrats run “better” campaigns, mostly because they’re allowed to, which in turn is because they dominate in positions that exert pressure – in politics, media, and culture. It’s easier for Democrats to rip down Republican yard signs without recompense. It’s also easier for left leaning activists to get away with violence or intimidation. Their talking heads are rarely challenged when they lie. They use Chinese Communist-owned platforms like TikTok to radicalise impressionable young voters and they use issues like abortion and student loans to do it. We recognise all of this as immoral. But elections aren’t conducted by Marquess of Queensbury rules. Republicans play touch football and call it smashmouth. Democrats play smashmouth and call it kiss chase.

    2. The GOP ‘McLeadership’ must change. If you accept that Republicans should have done better in this cycle, you have to go to the source of where the decisions are made and how the money is spent. That’s in the hands of people like Kevin McCarthy, Tom Emmer, Mitch McConnell, and Ronna Romney McDaniel. Trump isn’t a “party leader” in a European political sense. He wasn’t on the ballot this year. He doesn’t control the purse strings, nor the hires inside the GOP. His philosophy is ultimately beholden to centralised implementation.

    3. DeSantis has a big and bright future. But it cannot come at a cost to the MAGA movement. Even those surrounding and supportive of the victorious Florida governor accept that DeSantis is closer to the GOP comfort zone – including the neoconservatives – than Trump is. The Florida governor had the winds at his back in this election – an horrific opponent, a mass Republican migration to the Sunshine State, and of course, his own well-earned incumbent record to run on. I think I may even have been the first person to tell DeSantis, during a 2015 Sirius XM news interview, that he would be president one day. But I do not think that time is now, and I do not fancy the governor wants to be the “kingmaker” of the party just yet. We shouldn’t force that fight.

    Republicans have much to learn from these mid terms. Be glad these lessons can be learned right now, rather than in two years time. Certainly the strategy needs to change. Certainly the messaging needs to improve. Importantly, we’re seeing just how hard holding together a coalition on the right is. Republicans have a broader tent and a bigger problem than the centrifugal left. And it shows.

    How, for instance, did so many people hold their nose and vote for John Fetterman? Tribalism. Which, despite the claims of the corporate left, is a philosophy far more readily accepted by Democrats than Republicans (or the libertarian spoiler candidates for that matter). And Democrats know how to target them for that. TikTok videos about abortion? Those things work now. And no amount of pounding our fists and screaming about Hunter Biden is going to change that.

    If you really want a red wave, you have to drop the megaton bomb in the ocean. And if you think McCarthy, McConnell, and McDaniel did anything close to that with the apparatus you fund, well then I’ve got a bridge – and much more – to sell you.”

    https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/blame-trump-for-the-red-trickle-nonsense

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        1. that’s why they had to cheat to get shapiro in…
          we have a repub legislature for the most part, but every gets vetoed by gov and we can’t overturn that veto…

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  33. Good Morning!

    Still overwhelmed with family issues … hope you’re both well …

    and looking forward to a great day …

    I don’t know what kind, but he’s lovely!

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  34. I like this guy!

    Entire Article: “Republican businessman John James has won the race for Michigan’s newly created 10th Congressional District seat, narrowly defeating Democrat former judge and prosecutor Carl Marlinga in the hotly contested election. With 100 percent of precincts reporting, James had 49 percent of the vote to Marlinga’s 48 percent, according to Click on Detroit.

    While the race has not yet been officially called, Marlinga has reportedly conceded to James, telling 7 Action News that he does not intend to pursue a recount. The Trump-endorsed Republican previously ran for the U.S. Senate in Michigan in 2018, and 2020, and lost to Sen. Debbie Stabenow and Sen. Gary Peters, respectively. Marlinga ran for the Senate in 1994 and and the U.S. House in 2002, failing both times.

    James attended the US Military Academy at West Point, and is a former Army helicopter pilot. He also has a master’s degree and an MBA from the University of Michigan and Penn State. “I am looking forward to doing everybody proud—especially bringing glory to God when we win and get to Washington,” James said on Election Day.

    The 10th Congressional District in Michigan includes much of southern Macomb County and part of eastern Oakland County, the Detroit Free Press reported. Taken together, the district has been slightly more Democratic leaning over the last decade but has been trending more Republican — former President Donald Trump won within its boundaries twice.

    James will be the state’s only black U.S. House member.”

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  35. “Mitt Romney, the junior senator from Utah, was the only Republican senator who refused to endorse Mike Lee.”

    ENTIRE ARTICLE @ TheFederalist: “Utah Republican Sen. Mike Lee captured a third term Tuesday night after his same-state GOP colleague in the upper chamber de facto backed Lee’s challenger, a Democrat masquerading as an independent. Mitt Romney, the junior senator from Utah, was the only Republican senator who refused Lee an endorsement against failed 2016 third-party presidential candidate Evan McMullin. In April, Romney told Politico his refusal to endorse in the contest was due to having “two friends” in the race.

    “I don’t get involved in primaries and I don’t endorse,” Romney said, despite attending a fundraiser for Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney days later. Cheney went on to lose her August primary by more than 36 points to Wyoming attorney Harriet Hageman. And had many Democrat voters not changed their party registration to support Cheney in the GOP contest, her losing margins would have been far wider.

    McMullin ran as a self-proclaimed independent but pulled the endorsement of the Democrats in April as the party’s official candidate and solicited donations through ActBlue. His campaign, funded by Democrats, became nearly indistinguishable from Democrats in other states, considering his pro-abortion platform and hyperventilating about democracy supposedly being in danger if Republicans won. On the debate stage in October, McMullin fabricated charges against Lee, saying the incumbent had conspired with the White House to hijack the Electoral College and turn the 2020 election for President Donald Trump.

    “I think you knew how important it was when you sought to urge the White House that had lost an election to find fake electors to overturn the will of the people,” McMullin said. “Sen. Lee, that was the most egregious betrayal of our nation’s Constitution in its history by a U.S. senator, I believe, and it will be your legacy.”

    An honest examination of events, however, reveals McMullin was lying. According to reporting by Robert Costa and Bob Woodward, two favorites of the Washington establishment, Lee’s knowledge of a campaign seeking alternate electors extended merely to “a social media campaign — an amateur push with no legal standing,” not a real plot by the White House.

    Lee explained what happened on stage. “In the days leading up to Jan. 6, when the votes were going to be open and counted, I had a job to do,” Lee said at Utah Valley University. He continued: “There were rumors circulating suggesting that some states were considering switching up their slates of electors. If that were true, I would need to know about that. I did research on that. I made phone calls to figure out whether the rumors were true. The rumors were false. On that basis, I voted to certify the results of the elections.

    Lee then challenged Romney on Fox News in October to get behind his campaign or else risk losing out on a Senate majority. “I don’t think Mitt Romney wants Chuck Schumer to continue to be the Senate majority leader,” Lee said. “If I’m right on that, then he needs to get on board, because that’s exactly what he will be producing.”

    The endorsement never came, but each candidate’s response to Romney’s recusal says everything about whom the senator actually supported. “I respect that and appreciate it very much,” McMullin told Politico this summer of Romney’s non-endorsement.

    The failed 2012 Republican presidential nominee, who endorsed the Black Lives Matter movement two years ago, shot what was left of his conservative credibility when he sought to undermine Lee. While McMullin was propped up by Romney’s silence, Lee is the projected winner of the contest by a whopping 14 points with nearly 70 percent of the vote reported.”

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  36. Good!!!!

    EXCERPT: “Disney fell far short of expectations after releasing their fiscal full year and fourth quarter 2022 earnings report. It’s not looking good for Mickey Mouse as they missed expectations on profit and key revenue segments of the business. It seems Disney has prioritized their woke programming instead of operating a healthy, profitable business.

    Following the report, shares fell 8% in after hours trading, extending the 40% decline in stock price throughout 2022. A year ago, Disney’s stock price stood at $175 per share and it has plummeted to under $100 per share since.

    The drivers of the dismal report include projections of slowing demand for their flagship streaming platform Disney+ and underperformance in their parks and media divisions. The streaming platform added 12.1 million subscriptions bringing their total subscriber base to 164.2 million. This was higher than the Wall Street estimate of 160.45 million. However, going forward the company warns this growth with slow substantially. Furthermore, the direct-to-consumer service is not profitable as it lost $1.47 billion this quarter.

    The parks, experiences, and products division saw revenue increase only 34% which failed to meet analyst expectations. The media and entertainment segment saw revenue decline 3% year over year. Things are not looking great for Disney.

    This terrible performance over the past year has correlated with the entertainment company inserting themselves into the culture war. They decided include an intimate homosexual kissing scene in the latest “Lightyear” film, which did not resonate with the parents of young children, so the film inevitably flopped in the box office. Furthermore, a leaked company-wide zoom call showed executives discussing their agenda to shift their entertainment to have 50% of all characters be “inclusive”, such as LGBTQ. This drew much speculation that it would alienate the majority of their audience.”

    https://theamericantribune.com/boom-disneys-profit-tanks-after-woke-agenda-share-price-tumbles/

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  39. Ah, PR popped in – good to know she’s ok!

    “Good Morning all … still dealing with serious family issues, so not online much. Hope you are all well and looking forward to a great day.”

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    1. It was originally on NYTimes, which you can’t read w/o paying but I found this one:

      “Los Angeles County dropped criminal charges against the top executive of an elections technology company on Wednesday, bringing to an abrupt end an unusual case that became the focus of election deniers nationwide.

      The district attorney’s office said in a statement that it had dropped the case against the executive, Eugene Yu, because of concerns about the “pace of the investigation” and the “potential bias in the presentation” of evidence in the case. The office said the county had assembled a new team to “determine whether any criminal activity occurred.” The prosecutors did not respond to questions about the decision.

      “Mr. Yu is an innocent man,” Gary Lincenberg, Mr. Yu’s lawyer, said in a statement, adding that “conspiracy theorists” were using the arrest to “further their political agenda.”

      Last month, Los Angeles prosecutors accused Mr. Yu, the chief executive of Konnech, a small election software company in Michigan, of storing data about poll workers on servers in China, a breach of the company’s contract with the county. The charges related only to poll worker data and had no impact on votes or election results.

      Mr. Yu, 64, has repeatedly denied sending data to China. The New York Times published an article about the claims and his denials as a part of its coverage of misinformation and elections. Los Angeles prosecutors arrested Mr. Yu the day after the article was published.

      Konnech has about 20 employees in the United States and about 20 customers. It plays no role in the tabulation or counting of votes in American elections. But some election deniers have suggested that Konnech gave the Chinese government a back door to manipulate America’s election process.

      True the Vote, an organization that claims to be devoted to uncovering election fraud, said at a conference this summer that its team had found and downloaded Konnech’s poll worker data from servers in China. It provided no evidence that it had downloaded the data, but said it had delivered a hard drive to the Federal Bureau of Investigations.

      Konnech sued True the Vote, along with Catherine Engelbrecht, its founder, and Gregg Phillips, an election denier and longtime associate of the group, accusing them of defamation and hacking. The pair were briefly jailed last week after refusing to release the name of a person involved in the suspected hack of Konnech’s data.

      In an earlier court filing, Mr. Phillips said he had spoken with the grand jury in Los Angeles County that eventually indicted Mr. Yu.”

      https://silk-news.com/2022/11/10/technology/l-a-drops-criminal-charges-against-election-software-executive/

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  43. from tcth

    Troublemaker10
    Troublemaker10
    November 10, 2022 10:13 am
    Reply to Troublemaker10

    I mean, final votes aren’t all tallied, but with 97% counted….

    Oz already has over 330,000 more votes in 2022 than Lou Barletta (Repub candidate) in the 2018 election.

    Maga candidates in PA both over performed the Repub candidates in 2018.

    Quality of candidates/failed Trump candidates my arse. They both over performed last election.

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  44. THIS is exactly what DeSanctimonious SHOULD be doing!!!!

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  45. I got my nut rolls rolled out and filled–they are now rising for the second time, then I can bake them.
    I gotta say a rolling pin is GREAT therapy for a lousy mood…LOL

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  46. Filly I have a question for you.
    while I was rolling out the nut rolls, we were watching the dance–the rut. this small doe walked right in front of a buck but instead of following her, he stood there a moment, till he caught her scent…then he followed that scent–matching her path perfectly.
    hubby and i were wondering if that’s where the phrase–lead him around by the nose–came from? this is your area…LOL

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    2. Dominate or control someone, as in “The Moor … will tenderly be led by the nose as asses are” (Shakespeare, Othello, 1:3). This expression alludes to an animal being led by a ring passed through its nostrils. [Late 1500s]

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  48. wasn’t he drooled upon at M’s for awhile???

    bflyjesusgrl 🍊 😎DEMONCRACY SUPPOSITORY😎Online
    Coyote
    November 10, 2022 11:20

    Ryan Zinke wins in Montana! 🤸‍♀️🤸‍♀️🤸‍♀️

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